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 I need help finding info on a 1942 USMC, Piper AE-1 air ambulance

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PostSubject: I need help finding info on a 1942 USMC, Piper AE-1 air ambulance   Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:55 am

I'm in the process of restoring a Piper AE-1 air ambulance. The one I have was assigned to MCAS Quantico VA from 1942. There were only 100 AE=1 made, and 10 went to the Marines (this may be the only USMC AE-1 left). I've found pictures and drawings of the USN version of the plane, but nothing on what a USMC paint scheme would look like. I know some of the untility and trainer planes looked the same as their USN counter parts, except for "MARINES" painted on the side. If anyone has any info on where to look for this, please send it. (I've already written the Smithsonian, Naval Aviation Museum, and the Piper Museum. They only have info on the USN scheme).

If there are any Marine aviatiors out there that remember these birds, please let me know.

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Here's some info on the plane.. http://www.microworks.net/pacific/aviation/ae-1.htm
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PostSubject: Re: I need help finding info on a 1942 USMC, Piper AE-1 air ambulance   Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:21 pm

I'll definitely keep an eye out for you.

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PostSubject: Re: I need help finding info on a 1942 USMC, Piper AE-1 air ambulance   Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:18 pm

Rob,

Although there were obviously variations to paint schemes applied to aircraft in the field, all aircraft delivered directly from the factory conformed to a very specific set of Technical Orders governing the painting and marking of aircraft. These were also supposed to be complied with in the field too, but local commanders had a lot of leeway in approving schemes more in keeping with local conditions.

All I can give you are the finish specifications for the Stinson L-5, or OY-1 as the Marines called it, but I imagine it wasn't a whole lot different. That said, I could be completely wrong. Your best bet would to find photographic evidence and get ahold of the applicable Technical Orders in use at that time. Most WWII technical orders can be found at the NASM, NARA or the GPO. The commercial publisher ESSCO might even stock copies of the NAVAIR technical orders.

Also, as with the L-5, which had a similar role (casevac), the NASM may have technical drawings (blueprints) and the Erection and Maintence Handbook for HE-1 / AE-1 in their collection. For the L-5 / OY series of aircraft, the E&M Handbook contains a wealth of information on every finish used on the interior and exterior of the aircraft.

I'm sure you've scoured the web, but if you've missed these they are a good starting point:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/aviationcolourprimerdb_1.htm
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/01/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us.htm

If you can beg, borrow or steal a copy, check out: The Official Monogram US Navy and Marine Corps Aircraft Color Guide, Vol 2: 1940-1949 by John M. Elliott. It may not directly help with the AE-1 but it is a valuable resource.

Lastly, contact aviation photographer Bill Larkins. He has been professionally photographing airplanes since the 1940's and probably has the largest personal collection of military aircraft photos in the United States. You can scarcely pick up an airplane book published over the past 65 years that doesn't have at least one of his photos in it. Email me and I'll give you his email address. I don't want to make it public.

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PostSubject: Thanks   Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:12 am

Hey great info.. I appreciate it. I'll try to reach you asap. Rob
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PostSubject: Re: I need help finding info on a 1942 USMC, Piper AE-1 air ambulance   Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:47 am

Have you tried contacting Quantico and thier PAO, usually they have records of the older units etc that was there in the past , they may be able to help .Johnny
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PostSubject: Re: I need help finding info on a 1942 USMC, Piper AE-1 air ambulance   Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:33 pm

I notice that the microworks link says that the J5/AE-1 used the same tail surfaces as the J3, but that's not the case. The J3 rudder trailing edge is straight. The J5/AE-1 rudder trailing edge is curved like the PA-12 and PA-18. Rudder hinge locations are slightly different too.
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